more interesting CQC tactics


I wrote a post about Florian Lahner a while ago. I recently found a couple new videos of his stuff.

While I’m still a bit on the fence about using the sidearm as an impact weapon (as a prominent technique in a system..when the chips are down you do what you need to), I still like his dynamic, movement-centric, “wholistic” approach to CQC.

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8 thoughts on “more interesting CQC tactics”

  1. I agree with your reservations about practicing the habit is striking with the pistol. I tend to ‘like’ the way that Krav/Hagana/Israeli CQC use of the free hand as a control/clear.

    My main concern/critique (not criticism) of the weapon as impact tool practice is a combination of causing a weapon malfunction and the dexterity issue of moving the trigger finger in and out of the guard when transitioning from ‘pistol as club’ to ‘pistol as firearm’ on the fly. I would be concerned that you are increasing the statistical likelihood of an uncontrolled round going off (and causing some SERIOUS departmental/procedural questions if a civilian is injured).

    As you say, though, when the fit hits the shan you do what has to be done to by those few extra seconds to create time/space for a better tactical choice.

  2. I concur with using the firearm as a weapon to many what if’s. I did not that when they where at the range shooting every time they used the fire arm to strike the target they racked the pistol immediately afterwards.

    Still a interesting video, i am sure that took a lot of practice on the range.

  3. Oak:
    I think that cycling the action after their H2H engagement was a product of their carry condition. If they’re required to carry Condition 3 (no round in chamber) the piece is just a blunt instrument anyway, so they might as well use it as such to get first distance then a round in the chamber.
    These movements become moot if they carry Condition 1 though, as one can just post with the hand, draw, then fire low.

    As an aside, carrying C3 is the ONLY way I would ever put my hand in front of (and on the same vertical plane as) the muzzle like they are doing in the first video at around minute 1:00.

  4. Hey all. Good to be back again and I feel very honored that some of my stuff is worth being shown and discussed here. For those who did not see my former post, please be assured I believe strongly in “to each his own”. So for me the stuff works, and for others it might not. That is ok with me. Also as an instructor I train and teach a variety of concepts as to always be able to offer a solution to my clients and students, the concepts that I personally use are only a handful. I want to take my time time just add a few points here:
    1. Hitting with the gun: I would prefer not to, but I found it to be an excellent thing against blades. Whenever someone sticks an arm (reaction side hand) in a blade in reality, it usually gets shredded into pieces. Since the body withdraws from destruction (not pain as for under duress pain as a conscious signal might not be found) the arm in the path of the blade withdraws to center of body. Thus leaving an open path to neck and face for the follow up cuts. Also since the body will flinch a great deal, my shots might not hit very well. If a take a huge piece of metal and polymer, and hit the attacking limp I hopefully will not get cut, and I might get a half-second stop before other cuts start coming in again. And that is when I squeeze off my shots. Does it work all of the time? No. Nothing does. But I would rather risk someone scratching my gun, instead of my arm. To be honest: I get ok results with fending off with the off hand as well, but overall I get better results the way shown in the vids. It also uses the very same movement that the operator utilizes with his baton, his OC can, weapons of opportunity as well as his empty hands (usually a bad idea) and that makes the move consistent within the system. That is overall the biggest advantage.

    2. As for malfunction: Usually we do not get any problems. In fact I cannot remember one single time. Despite the fact we did try everything to cause them. I suspect it is some already overcome relic from times where firearms were not as reliable as they are now. But just to be sure, we did add a drill for this. I always carry with one in the chamber and since I mostly work with Glocks there is Safety to operate. So what you saw in the video is just simulating something went wrong when blocking off the incoming arm, you tried to fire, realize nothing happens. You then create distance, if needed use the gun as an impact weapon to buy some time tap, rack and fire.

    3. The last poster could not know: What I said right above was happening at around minute 1:00. It was a simulation of a malfunction after hitting. So because those guy were to close they started hitting and did a clearing after that.

    The trigger finger is a often discussed problem. I agree that there are risks. But on the other hand, it is a training issue. And I outright refuse to settle for low standards just because PDs and Mil spend tons of money on all kind of weird stuff but are not wiling to spend some hours more of training.
    If we talk about basic level users, they need to get the basics done before trying to fight someone with a knife when the have their gun.

    Thank all of you for watching and commenting. It is an honor to be here.

    Stay Safe

    Florian

  5. Hi, I was just going through some of your older stuff, since none of the videos work through my RSS feed. Love your site by the way! I’m curious as to what’s going on from 1:10 to 1:18 in the first video. It looks very “gun-fu” to me; what is supposed to be going on?

    1. Sir,
      thank you for asking. I especially appreciate your polite and professional manner, as other would have screamed bloody murder already. 😉

      This is a series of movements /call it a drill, even call it a kata if you will), that helps the operator to get offline of an attack and at the same time open another line himself to shoot.
      This is for ranges of aprox. 3 meters, depending on your preferences.
      Yes, I know that on guy pointing at the other guy at one point in time. We did this for demonstration only, in training you would shoot it mirror image or alone. Those two can handle this, we asked, they agreed and they are pros.
      They demonstrate evading maneuvers that we pretend to be in a certain sequence. In reality, you pick out the one you need for the situation (where could I move to, are there teammates or bystanders, is there a wall etc…)
      The idea is, a little bit like a fencing approach. A gun is only a very long and pointy tool….. 😉

      I am in a little hurry……

      I will gladly post more if you want me to answer any questions.

      Stay Safe

      Florian

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